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Agents Need 10x More Data Than Humans, with Salesforce’s CDO Michael Andrew

Added on by Jon Krohn.

Four years ago, Salesforce's own customer data were scattered across 650 different data streams and 266 million fragmented profiles, so getting a complete customer picture felt impossible.. My guest today, Salesforce’s Chief Data Officer Michael Andrew, fixed that… and now he's rebuilding it all again for a new kind of customer: AI agents. #ad #SalesforcePartner

More on Michael Andrew:
• Has been at Salesforce for nearly 8 years, eventually growing into the CDO role.
• Has spent nearly three decades listening to customers through data and, at Salesforce, he runs one of the largest Data 360 deployments in the world.
• Previously held a range of analytics and data science leadership roles between San Francisco and London.

In this special episode recorded live at Dreamforce two weeks ago, Michael explains:
• Why agents need ten times more data than humans do.
• Why moving data between warehouses is usually money wasted.
• What data scientists, engineers and analysts should be learning right now as agents (rather than people!) become the main consumers of their work.

Tokenomics: Why Your Agentic AI Bill Is Exploding (and How to Fix It), with Tyler Cox and Ish Shah

Added on by Jon Krohn.

Over a single weekend, Ishan S. burned through 2 billion tokens (building a video game for his wife)! He and Tyler Cox join me in today's episode to explain why agentic A.I. bills are exploding... and how a box under your desk can cut them by up to 93%.

Tyler and Ish are returning guests on my podcast... but they are on the show *together* for the first time today. They are both Distinguished Engineers in the Office of the CTO for the client group at Dell Technologies, where they work out how to run powerful A.I. models on the machines closest to you.

In this information-rich episode, Tyler and Ish:
• Dig into "tokenomics" (why agents and their sub-agents devour so many more tokens than chatbots ever did).
• How to pick the right LLM for the job.
• How moving agentic workloads off pay-per-token cloud APIs and onto your own hardware can pay for itself in as little as two months.

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

How AI Brought a Podcast Back From the Dead, with Linear Digressions’ Katie Malone

Added on by Jon Krohn.

Dr. Caitlin Malone's extremely popular "Linear Digressions" podcast went silent for five years. Then A.I. made it possible to bring it back... and to manage it like a team. Hear all about effective agent teams in today's excellent episode.

More on Katie:
• Hosts and produces "Linear Digressions", one of the world's most popular data-science podcasts. (It's excellent — check it out!)
• Senior Researcher at Moonlite AI.
• Previously Sr Director of the A.I. Innovation Lab at the Health Care Service Corporation, Sr Director of Data Science at Tempus Labs, and Director of Data Science at Civis Analytics.
• Has taught machine learning via Udacity and at the University of Chicago.
• Holds a PhD in experimental particle physics from Stanford University focused on working with CERN data.

In this episode, Katie explains:
• Why managing people and managing A.I. agents are the same skill in different clothing.
• Why A.I. could hollow out the expertise we need to catch its mistakes.
• A fascinating range of data paradoxes from Simpson’s to Benford’s.

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

The Chip Built for Agentic AI Inference, with SambaNova’s Anton McGonnell

Added on by Jon Krohn.

GPUs are the workhorse of A.I. inference… but they aren’t actually optimized for inference! SambaNova has raised over $2B to build a new chip that is, pushing the frontier of real-time A.I. speed and bandwidth. Hear about it from Anton in today's episode.

More on Anton McGonnell:
• VP of Product at SambaNova, a Bay Area A.I.-hardware business recently valued at $11 billion.
• Was previously Director of Product Management for Machine Learning at UiPath and responsible for A.I. research at Glasswing Ventures.
• Holds an MBA from Harvard Business School and a degree in computer science from Queen's University Belfast.

In today's episode, Anton explains:
• Why agentic A.I. has changed the shape of inference workloads.
• How SambaNova's chip sidesteps the memory bottleneck that slows GPUs when generating output tokens.

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

Word Gravity: How Transformers Bend Space, with Dr. Luis Serrano

Added on by Jon Krohn.

Today, the renowned A.I. scientist Dr. Luis Serrano (>200k YouTube subs; ex-Apple; ex-Cohere) returns to launch the second edition of his bestselling ML book and for a mind-bending convo on how LLMs "curve space-time".

More on Luis:
• Founder of the Serrano Academy (YouTube channel with over 200,000 subscribers hooked on his visual, intuitive explanations of machine learning).
• Previously worked at Apple, Cohere and the quantum-computing startup Zapata.
• The second edition of his bestselling Manning Publications Co. book "Grokking Machine Learning" is out this month!

In today's episode, Luis details:
• His mind-bending new paper on how transformer architectures mirror Einstein's curved space-time.
• Why RAG isn't an agent.
• How GRPO (the reinforcement-learning technique behind DeepSeek's reasoning breakthrough last year) works.
• ...and much more!

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

In Case You Missed It in August 2026

Added on by Jon Krohn.

If you're in the Northern Hemisphere, summer is drawing to a close... but, ICYMI, today's episode highlights the best bits of the hot hot hot conversations that we had on my podcast in August:

1. In one of the technically richest conversations ever on the show, MongoDB's Field CTO of A.I., Pete Johnson, details the two common traits every company seeing ROI on A.I. investment have.

2. Gurobi Optimization's manager of decision-intelligence strategy Jerry Yurchisin returns to the show to explain where the division of labour between agents and mathematical solvers ought to fall.

3. Priyanka "The Cloud Girl" Vergadia (bestselling author, ex-Google, ex-Microsoft) walks us through how she structures Claude skills so that her output stops being slop.

4. dbt Labs founder and CEO Tristan Handy explains why the semantic layer matters more, not less, now that analytics agents are the ones asking the questions.

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

Agentic AI Skills That Matter Now, with Aishwarya Srinivasan

Added on by Jon Krohn.

My exceptional guest today is world-renowned data scientist, author, tech entrepreneur and content creator (>1.2m followers!) Aishwarya Srinivasan... and she does not disappoint! This is one of my favorite episodes ever, enjoy :)

More on Ash:
• Co-founder of The Gen Academy and a stealth A.I. startup.
• Prolific A.I. startup advisor and investor.
• Sought-after global keynote speaker.
• Author of the book "What's Your Worth? Discovering Your Personal Brand".
• Has held roles at Nebius, Fireworks AI, Microsoft, and been a data scientist at Google, IBM and Goldman Sachs.
• Holds a Master's in Data Science from Columbia University.

In this episode, Ash covers:
• Where defensibility comes from when code is nearly free.
• How to evaluate non-deterministic agentic systems end to end.
• Why reinforcement learning is having such a resurgence.
• How to future-proof your career.
• ...and much, much more!

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

How dbt Won Analytics Engineering, with dbt Lab’s CEO Tristan Handy

Added on by Jon Krohn.

dbt is THE open-source tool that brought software-engineering rigor to data transformation; it's now used by over 100,000 teams. Today's rockstar guest, Tristan Handy, is CEO of dbt Labs, the company behind the movement.

More on Tristan:
• President and co-founder of "Fivetran + dbt Labs" (recent merger).
• Coined the term "analytics engineering".
• Over two decades of experience as a data practitioner working in both large enterprises and startups.
• His expertise and data industry best practices have influenced thousands of subscribers and listeners weekly via his newsletter (The Analytics Engineering Roundup) and The Analytics Engineering Podcast.

In this episode, Tristan explains:
• What dbt is.
• Why dbt Labs' the recent merger with Fivetran is a win for dbt users.
• Why skill files are so powerful.
• Why he turned down acquisition offers for years
• How the semantic layer keeps A.I. agents from confidently getting your metrics wrong
• ...and much more.

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

Vector Search, Agentic Memory and Effective RAG, with MongoDB’s Pete Johnson

Added on by Jon Krohn.

Today's guest, MongoDB's "field CTO for A.I." Pete Johnson, is exceptional... don't miss this episode! We get deep into vector search, agentic memory, RAG and much more, with Pete vividly explaining technical content like no other.

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

Mathematical Optimization in the Agentic AI Era, with Gurobi’s Jerry Yurchisin

Added on by Jon Krohn.

LLMs will confidently tell you they've optimized your entire business while ignoring the one constraint that could cost you millions. Today's episode with Jerry Yurchisin is all about a technique that makes breaking a constraint mathematically impossible.

More on Jerry:
• Manager of Decision Intelligence Strategy at Gurobi Optimization, a "mathematical optimization" solver that's used by the vast majority of Fortune 100 companies.
• Has over a decade of experience in operations research, data science, and visualization... and specializes in enhancing decision-making.
• Prior to Gurobi, Jerry worked in consulting (OnLocation, Inc. & Booz Allen Hamilton) where he focused on mathematical optimization, machine learning, statistics and simulation.
• Taught statistics and operations research at The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and graduate math at Ohio University (he also holds Master's degrees from both of these institutions).

In this episode, Jerry:
• Lays out where mathematical optimization fits in the agentic AI era (hint: LLMs formulate problems and solvers like Gurobi guarantee the answers).
• Shares striking mathematical-optimization applications spanning energy grids, retirement planning... and the model that powered @null's women's team to a gold medal at the Paris Olympics.

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

OpenAI Agent Breaches Hugging Face: All You Must Know incl. How to Protect Yourself

Added on by Jon Krohn.

Cheesy secret "agent" thumbnail? Oh yes! As we've all surely heard by now, an OpenAI agent escaped its sandbox and hacked Hugging Face's servers. With the dust settled, here's *everything* you need to know, incl. how to protect yourself:

WHAT HAPPENED
• On July 16, Hugging Face disclosed an intrusion into part of its production infrastructure, driven end to end by an autonomous AI agent (no human attacker at any point).
• Five days later, OpenAI revealed the attacker: its own models (GPT-5.6-Sol plus an unreleased, more capable model), running a cyber-capability evaluation with safety guardrails switched off.
• Nobody told the models to attack anyone. Tasked with solving a security benchmark (ExploitGym), they exploited a zero-day in their sandbox's package proxy, escaped to the open internet and went after Hugging Face to steal the benchmark's answers. (Paperclips anyone? 🖇️)
 
WHY IT MATTERS
• The models found and exploited novel attack paths in real-world production systems without source-code access.
• Hugging Face is a $4.5B firm with a dedicated security team; a less-resourced target would have fared far worse.
• The warning signs were documented months earlier: in ExploitGym testing, frontier agents routinely abandoned the assigned vulnerability and invented their own route to the flag.
 
THE TWIST
• Hugging Face detected and dissected the breach using AI... LLM-driven forensics compressed days of analysis into hours.
• But the commercial APIs from American frontier labs they tried first (e.g., OpenAI's or Anthropic's) refused to process the attack logs. Safety guardrails "cannot distinguish an incident responder from an attacker", they said.
• The forensics ran instead on a Chinese open-weight model (Z.ai's GLM 5.2) on Hugging Face's own infrastructure, which also kept attacker data in-house.
 
LESSONS 1 (IF YOU BUILD AGENTS)
• Treat your egress allowlist as attack surface, not a safety guarantee. Pre-install dependencies and air-gap where you can.
• If you disable safeguards for testing, scale containment and monitoring in proportion.
• Log every agent action and alert on outbound connections that shouldn't exist.
 
LESSONS 2 (IF YOU DEFEND A PLATFORM)
• Rotate your Hugging Face access tokens and review recent account activity today.
• Treat user-supplied data and model artifacts as executable content, not inert files. Audit every code-execution path in your pipeline.
• Stand up a capable open-weight model on your own infrastructure and validate it for forensic log analysis BEFORE you need it at 2am (this is easy to do with, say, Lightning AI).

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

Weapons of Math Destruction, Ten Years On, with Dr. Cathy O’Neil

Added on by Jon Krohn.

What makes an algorithm terrifying? My guest today, mega-bestselling author of "Weapons of Math Destruction" Dr. Cathy O'Neil, says it's not the complexity of the math; it's the secrecy, the unaccountability and the fact that you can't opt out.

More on Dr. O'Neil:
• A decade after her "Weapons of Math Destruction" (2016) sounded the alarm on algorithmic harm, she's busier than ever.
• Through her algorithmic-auditing firm ORCAA and her nonprofit OCEAN, she now provides the statistical evidence behind lawsuits against some of the world's biggest tech companies.
• Co-hosts the "A.I. Skeptics" podcast.
• Also wrote "The Shame Machine: Who Profits in the New Age of Humiliation", which was published in 2022 (like WMD, also by Penguin Random House).
• Before writing trade publications, her first book was actually an O'Reilly book, "Doing Data Science".
• Earlier in her career, she held academic positions at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Barnard College before becoming a Wall-Street analyst at The D. E. Shaw Group.

In this episode, Cathy:
• Punctures A.I. hype.
• Explains why A.I. won't so much replace workers as degrade them.
• Lays out how all of us can demand accountability.

I wanted to have this exceptional conversation with Dr. O'Neil for a decade, enjoy!

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

The Math Still Matters: Deep Skills in the Age of AI, with Dr. Catherine Williams

Added on by Jon Krohn.

Dr. Catherine Williams was solving black-hole equations with pen and paper before she ever wrote a line of code and, in today’s episode, she makes the case that going deep on AI/ML math matters more than ever...

...even now that AI can do the math for you.

More on Dr. Williams:
• PhD in math researching general relativity and black holes.
• Postdocs at Stanford University and Columbia University.
• Became one of the very first data scientists when she joined AppNexus back in 2012, around the same time "data scientist" became a job title.
• Across more than a decade of senior data leadership at AppNexus, Xander, Qualtrics and now Candid, she's watched our field get born and then reinvent itself again and again.

In today's episode, Catherine traces the data science and AI evolution — from Bayesian models to BERT to today's LLMs — and shares sharp guidance on which skills will still matter as machines take over more of the technical work.

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.

Fable 5 as Advisor: Anthropic’s Two-Model Pattern for Smarter, Cheaper Agents

Added on by Jon Krohn.

Want near-frontier A.I. agent quality at a fraction of the cost? Anthropic recently productized the Advisor Strategy that pairs a cheap "executor" model with a brilliant "advisor" to give you the best of both worlds:

HOW IT WORKS
• A fast, cheap model (e.g., Claude Haiku or Sonnet) runs the entire agent loop: calling tools, writing code, drafting output.
• A frontier model (e.g., Claude Opus or Fable) sits on standby as a "tool" the executor can consult (like a junior worker phoning their supervisor when unsure).
• Everything happens inside one API call: Anthropic's servers hand the advisor the full conversation transcript and return just 400-700 tokens of advice, making this fast and inexpensive (it's also usually only a one-line code change so it's easy to implement).

THE RESULTS
• Sonnet + Opus advisor beat Sonnet alone on the "SWE-bench Multilingual" benchmark by 2.7 percentage points while cutting cost per task by 11.9%. Better quality AND slightly lower cost.
• Unsurprisingly, the biggest gains come from pairing a very fast/cheap model with a much more capable advisor: For example, on BrowseComp (web research benchmark), Haiku alone scored 19.7%; Haiku + Opus advisor scored 41.2% (more than double!) at 85% less cost than Sonnet alone.
• Newest data, from last week: On "SWE-bench Pro", Sonnet 5 + a Fable 5 advisor captured ~92% of Fable's standalone performance at ~63% of its cost.

WHY IT WORKS
• The advisor's output is tiny relative to the whole task, and a good plan delivered early prevents wasted attempts and misguided tool calls.
• Unlike OpenAI's router (which dispatches queries to a model up front), the cheap model runs the show and escalates itself mid-task with full shared context.

PRACTICAL LESSONS
• Skip it for single-turn Q&A; it shines on long-horizon agentic work (like coding, research, computer use).
• Executors under-call the advisor by default so prompt them to consult it early (before committing to an approach) and late (before declaring the task done).
• Cap advisor output at ~2,000 tokens (~7x cost reduction, no quality loss) and enable prompt caching for long loops.
• The pattern is spreading: OpenRouter now offers a cross-provider version (e.g., a Google Gemini executor consulting Claude).
• Alternative design patterns such as having a powerful "orchestrator" (shown below the advisor pattern in the chart I included in this post) might work even more effectively for your use case so it could be worth comparing them.

BOTTOM LINE
Frontier A.I. progress is no longer just bigger models... it's smarter economics in composing the models we already have.

The SuperDataScience podcast is available on all major podcasting platforms, YouTube, and at SuperDataScience.com.